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posted 01 June 2004 04:43 PM      $post_id   Send New Private Message    Reply With Quote 
I'm new .

I have read all three main novels and the sample from the fourth and I just had a question that struck me.

Does GRRM ever say (in or out of the books) what the ultimate goal of the series is? For example, in the Lord of the Rings its to destroy the Ring, in the Wheel of Time it is the Final Battle where Rand has to fight. Is there some great climax that will end the series or will it just sort of end?

And to go along with this how do people think it is going to end?

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posted 28 July 2004 01:42 PM      $post_id   Send New Private Message    Reply With Quote 
I've never really thought about it really. Most books you read you already know how it's going to end when you finish the first few chapters. I like not knowing and not careing how it's going to end. Heck I don't ever want it to end.

Actually now that I think on it. It'll probablly end after Dany kills all the Others and has conquored the Seven Kingdoms. And her and Jon and her Dragons will live happily ever after.

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posted 28 July 2004 04:50 PM      $post_id   Send New Private Message    Reply With Quote 
I don't think we know the goal because the POV characters do not know the goal and that is where we get our info....Mel knows the goal and Stannis and Mance Ryder know the goal, but everyone else just wants to win a kingdom or win acceptance
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posted 02 August 2004 01:47 AM      $post_id   Author's Homepage   Email Ishamael   Send New Private Message    Reply With Quote 
I don't think there's necessarily an ultimate goal per se, as Martin's evolved the series considerably. At this point, it's really just a tale that constantly progresses. One would say it reaches towards Dany coming of age, and her Dragons (fire) battling the others (ice). Who's to say how it'll end though? Martin's definitely one for surprises!

If you had asked me in book 1, I would have said for Ed Stark to solve the mystery of Jon Arryn's death, bring the captors to justice, and live happily ever after.

In book 3, I would have bet on Robb avenging his father, and the like...

Well, we all know how those ended up =).

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posted 14 September 2004 04:40 PM      $post_id   Send New Private Message    Reply With Quote 
I think I will refer to George's POV on this one in that this series is a reflection of his love of history. Taken in that light, history never ends, it's a continuing tapestry of lives. I think that explains the whole feel of his series. Which is why I love it so. It doesn't have the cheap, commercialized feel of Jordan's bowl of crapola.

Which is why George's forays into past stories like the Hedge Knight are so compelling because you really feel the history and continuity of his universe by tapping into it's past. The point is, there is no ULTIMATE BATTLE. There is only a wonderful, rich world filled with compelling people, both evil, honorable all rolled into one, just like the real world. I know this has to end sometime but I don't want it to.

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