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Ishamael
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posted 29 May 2005 11:19 AM      $post_id   Author's Homepage   Email Ishamael   Send New Private Message    Reply With Quote 
Decide for yourself, Hearsay from the SA forums..


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From another forum

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This is no hoax. I swear it by ice and fire. I swear in the names of the Old Gods and new.

George told us a long tale. His publishers told him the mostest it could be was 1600 manuscript pages. He passed that and a decision was made that it would have to be split in two. He thought about that and rejected it and proposed an alternative.

AFFC will be the size of AGoT. There will be no Daenerys chapters. There will be none of the chapters up North. The chapters in the South are done and in the hands of the publishers - George expects to announce a specific fall publication date. That means he can spend a little more time cleaning up the events in the North and present a coherent tale with a beginning and an end.

He expects some of his fans to be upset when their favorite characters don't appear. But they can take comfort in the fact that the fifth book is now 60% or more done. And they will have the fourth in the fall.
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and Parris commenting on it.

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and no one is more pleased with this announcement than George and myself. There will be an formal announcement posted to his web site Monday, and as he said at the reading, as soon as the publishers have firm pub dates, he'll let you know.

I've read many drafts of the book, and given the complexity of the greter story he is creating for us, this is not only a good solution to the problems of manufacturing such a huge book, it gives us complete arcs for several characters sooner, rather than telling half the story of more characters over a longer period of time. There's enough blood and treachery and gorgeous writing in FEAST to satisfy us for a good long read, I promise.

I hope most readers are happy about this, in the longer view of the strength of the series. I have been saying for several years that ASoI&F would be at least 7 books long. Check with me again in a year and we'll see if that's changed.

Going to take this over to the Bros area,
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Kinda sucks the publishers are making it two books just because of the length. We still have to wait for Jon and Dany which also sucks, but at least we will have Arya to look forward to by this fall!

Edit: ok I was so excited (I've been waiting for a few years for this) that I forgot a lot of people don't know about a song of ice and fire. It is an awesome fantasy series by George R. R. Martin and this book has been 5 years in the making. This book will be the fourth in the series.

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Antacid
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posted 29 May 2005 02:32 PM      $post_id   Email Antacid   Send New Private Message    Reply With Quote 
Umm.. so he did split it to two, according to characters instead of chronology?
Or does he going to leave out half the book?

I think i prefer it split to two according to chrnonology, but i have no reason not to trust GRRM.

Hope for good.


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Ishamael
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posted 29 May 2005 02:57 PM      $post_id   Author's Homepage   Email Ishamael   Send New Private Message    Reply With Quote 
From what I get from the above, it seems they would keep the same chronology over 2 books, but leave Dany/Jon and stuff like that for the second. Again, don't know how reliable it is.

WIll see what GRRM posts on his website tomorrow (monday)... if anything.

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posted 30 May 2005 05:14 AM      $post_id   Email Antacid   Send New Private Message    Reply With Quote 
After reading what he wrote, yeah, as i thought, it's split according to characters instead of according to chronology.
Like Robert Jordan did in several books where a number of big storylines and characters are missing.

As i said, i prefer it to advance according to chronology and be cut in the middle in order to make it two books.
By i didn't read the book, it might be a better solution, we'll have to read and find out.


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Ishamael
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posted 30 May 2005 11:20 AM      $post_id   Author's Homepage   Email Ishamael   Send New Private Message    Reply With Quote 
Yeah, wonder how that will work out. Looks like made the jump to 7... gee whiz.

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mashiara
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We'll have to wait and see... I'm not that happy with the solution, it's going to be strange not meeting some of the characters for Another two years.. Splitting the books by chronology sounds like a much better idea to me, but it is not my call.. or yours.

Like you, I've been waiting for this book for ever.. I wouldn't mind 7 books.. or 8, for that matter, on the condition that they are of the same quality as the first three. We'll know in a few months I guess.


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Drizzt Do'Urden
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posted 01 June 2005 06:16 AM      $post_id   Author's Homepage   Send New Private Message    Reply With Quote 
Yep, it's official all right.

http://www.georgerrmartin.com/

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No, I haven't finished writing everything I wanted to include in A FEAST FOR CROWS. I have wrapped up a whole bunch of characters and storylines since the last update in January, but "a whole bunch" does not equate to "all."

And I was facing another problem as well: the sheer size of the book.

All of the books in this series have been big, mind you. A GAME OF THRONES weighed in at 1088 pages in manuscript, not counting the appendices. A CLASH OF KINGS was even longer at 1184 pages, not counting the appendices. And A STORM OF SWORDS measured a gargantuan 1521 pages in manuscript, not counting the (etc).

Any publisher will tell you that a book as big as A STORM OF SWORDS is a production nightmare, and STORM did indeed cause problems for many of my publishers around the world. In some languages it was divided into two, three, or even four volumes. Bantam published STORM in a single volume in the United States, but not without difficulty. Pretty much everyone agreed that it would be a really good thing if the fourth volume in the series came in somewhat shorter than STORM, so I set out with the idea of delivering a FEAST closer in length to A CLASH OF KINGS.

Alas for good intentions. In hindsight, I should have known better. The story makes its own demands, as Tolkien once said, and my story kept demanding to get bigger and more complicated.

I passed A CLASH OF KINGS last year, and still had plenty more to write. By January, I had more than 1300 pages, and still had storylines unfinished. About three weeks ago I hit 1527 pages of final draft, surpassing A STORM OF SWORDS... but I also had another hundred or so pages of roughs and incomplete chapters, as well as other chapters sketched out but entirely unwritten. That was when I realized that the light I'd seen at the end of the tunnel was actually the headlight of an onrushing locomotive.

And that's why my publishers and I, after much discussion and weighing of alternatives, have decided to split the narrative into two books (printing in microtype on onion skin paper and giving each reader a magnifying glass was not considered feasible, and I was reluctant to make the sort of deep cuts that would have been necessary to get the book down to a more publishable length, which I felt would have compromised the story).

The first plan was simply to lop the text in half. In that scenario, I would finish the last few chapters in as short a length (and time) as possible. That would have produced a story of maybe 1650 to 1700 pages in manuscript, which we would simply have broken into two chunks of roughly equal length and published as A FEAST FOR CROWS, Part One and A FEAST FOR CROWS, Part Two.

We decided not to do that. It was my feeling -- and I pushed hard for this, so if you don't like the solution, blame me, not my publishers -- that we were better off telling all the story for half the characters, rather than half the story for all the characters. Cutting the novel in half would have produced two half-novels; our approach will produce two novels taking place simultaneously, but set hundreds or even thousands of miles apart, and involving different casts of characters (with some overlap).

The division has been done, and it think it works quite well. The upshot is, A FEAST FOR CROWS is now moving into production. It is still a long book, but not too long; about the same size as A GAME OF THRONES. The focus in FEAST will be on Westeros, King's Landing, the riverlands, Dorne, and the Iron Islands. More than that I won't say.

Meanwhile, all the characters and stories removed from FEAST are moving right into A DANCE WITH DRAGONS, which will focus on events in the east and north. All the chapters I have not yet finished and/or begun are moving into DANCE. I think this is very good, if truth be told, since it will give me the room to complete those arcs as I had originally intended, rather than trying to tie them up quickly in a chapter or two so I could deliver the massively late Big FEAST.

So there it is. I know some of you may be disappointed, especially when you buy A FEAST FOR CROWS and discover that your favorite character does not appear, but given the realities I think this was the best solution... and the more I look at it, the more convinced I am that these two parallel novels, when taken together, will actually tell the story better than one big book.

And if there are those who don't agree, and still want their Big FEAST with all the trimmings set out on one huge table... well, there's an easy fix. Get both books, razor the pages out with an Exacto knife, interleave the chapters as you think best, and bring the towering stack of text that results to your favorite bookbinder... and presto, chango the Big FEAST will live again.

As for me, I am getting back to work. There's good news on that front too -- A DANCE WITH DRAGONS is half-done!!!

(And before anyone asks, yes indeed, this development means that Parris was right all along. It will now probably require seven books to complete the story).

—George R.R. Martin, May 29, 2005



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posted 01 June 2005 11:59 AM      $post_id   Email Muad'Dib   Send New Private Message    Reply With Quote 
you know, i'm alreday kinda disappointed. I've been waiting patiently for affc to come out and when it finally does come i only get half a freaking book. And then, characters who i think are important to the story, aren't going to be in the story. this sucks. This sucks only so many different levels.

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Antacid
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posted 01 June 2005 02:57 PM      $post_id   Email Antacid   Send New Private Message    Reply With Quote 
Unlike Robert Jodran, Martin gives us some perspective on his writing process and the problems he faces while writing, so we know why A Feast for Crows will be as it will be.
One must wonder if Robert Jordan faced the same problems and made the same choices in some of his books, does that mean Martin is losing control over his story too?
Guess all we can do is wait and see, i have more faith in Martin, then again, i had lots of faith in Jordan too after book 5.

Btw, Drizzt, kudos on the huge copy-paste in order to raise your words count, we didn't notice


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Drizzt Do'Urden
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posted 01 June 2005 08:04 PM      $post_id   Author's Homepage   Send New Private Message    Reply With Quote 
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[originally posted by Antacid]:

Btw, Drizzt, kudos on the huge copy-paste in order to raise your words count, we didn't notice


Pffft, as far as I know, there's no ranks beyond my current one. if I want a count increase, I'll spam like crazy in the appropriate forum :P


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Iamevos2
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posted 02 June 2005 11:02 PM      $post_id   Email Iamevos2   Send New Private Message    Reply With Quote 
So from my understanding,

Its gonna be like WoT and LoTR where it goes through the part of one character then it goes back in time to another character so that character has to catch up? Sorry im all mixed up on this.

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Antacid
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posted 03 June 2005 03:02 PM      $post_id   Email Antacid   Send New Private Message    Reply With Quote 
The book is split to two books, the first book will have some characters and will advance to a certain point in time, then the next book will return to the initial point in time where the first book started and will tell the story of the rest of the characters.

Hopefully, it will work.


"Sometimes it's damned hard to tell the dancer from the dance." - Corwin, prince of Amber.


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Iamevos2
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posted 04 June 2005 08:36 PM      $post_id   Email Iamevos2   Send New Private Message    Reply With Quote 
Yes, I hope it works out. I'm not to certain by the sounds of it ,but i hope it is excellent.

I am a little disapointed that it might leave out some of my favorite characters point of view, but any of ASoIF is greatly accepted.

On the brightside the next book is 50-60% finished; so unless he has any major problems it should be out farely fast.

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Drizzt Do'Urden
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posted 07 June 2005 09:27 AM      $post_id   Author's Homepage   Send New Private Message    Reply With Quote 
Well, if you think of the two as one big book split into two, you should get all the characters.

And if your favourite isn't in one book, you'll get a greater concentration of them in the next book :D


I make a new vow, one weighed in experience and proclaimed with my eyes open: I will not raise my scimitars except in defense: in defense of my principles, of my life, or of others who cannot defend themselves. I will not do battle to further the causes of false prophets, to further the treasures of kings, or to avenge my own injured pride.


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mashiara
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posted 07 June 2005 04:32 PM      $post_id   Send New Private Message    Reply With Quote 
There is a problem with that kind of thinking though... if your favorite isn't in the first book.. then you'll have to wait another two years to read about him.

But... I have greater faith in Martin than I ever did in Jordan. I'm going to wait and see how this comes out before I condemn it. Any idea when we should be expecting it?


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Drizzt Do'Urden
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posted 08 June 2005 06:10 AM      $post_id   Author's Homepage   Send New Private Message    Reply With Quote 
Actually, the second book is already essentially finished as well, I can see it being released well within a year of the first one.


I make a new vow, one weighed in experience and proclaimed with my eyes open: I will not raise my scimitars except in defense: in defense of my principles, of my life, or of others who cannot defend themselves. I will not do battle to further the causes of false prophets, to further the treasures of kings, or to avenge my own injured pride.


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Antacid
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posted 08 June 2005 03:17 PM      $post_id   Email Antacid   Send New Private Message    Reply With Quote 
Well, if your favorite IS in the first book, you'll have a problem after that book, waiting for the book after A Dance with Dragons.

He said A Dance with Dragons is half done, i'm not so trustful, but we'll see.


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[originally posted by Muad'Dib]:
you know, i'm alreday kinda disappointed. I've been waiting patiently for affc to come out and when it finally does come i only get half a freaking book. And then, characters who i think are important to the story, aren't going to be in the story. this sucks. This sucks only so many different levels.

Muad'Dib

OUt


Hey, just be glad you're getting a book at all. It's bad to take stuff like that for granted. He works his ass off, yet you whine about a decision that was probably for the best. If he didn't do this, we would have to wait even LONGER for any book at all.

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posted 26 June 2005 08:50 PM      $post_id   Author's Homepage   Email Demandred   Send New Private Message    Reply With Quote 
I hope this turns out for the best. Fewer viewpoints might make the book seem less complex, or complete, even though we know the rest are coming. I think it mat also make the following one less satisfying, as we should already be aware of some significant events.
Interesting that he specifically mentions Dorne.

Oh, and the hardcover release date is November 8.

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Drizzt Do'Urden
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posted 28 June 2005 08:34 AM      $post_id   Author's Homepage   Send New Private Message    Reply With Quote 
Simple solution, wait for both books to come out, then buy and read both at once.

If you want to be REALLY anal, you could swap books every other chapter :P


I make a new vow, one weighed in experience and proclaimed with my eyes open: I will not raise my scimitars except in defense: in defense of my principles, of my life, or of others who cannot defend themselves. I will not do battle to further the causes of false prophets, to further the treasures of kings, or to avenge my own injured pride.


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