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Ishamael
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posted 07 November 2005 08:26 PM      $post_id   Author's Homepage   Email Ishamael   Send New Private Message    Reply With Quote 
Wow, hard to keep stuff straight. Mind, I read WH and CoT right before I finished this a couple weeks ago, and still things slip out of my head.

1) Nobody knows if Sammael is dead, for sure? Oh come on, really. It was a vague kill in aCoS, but *please* tell me he *is* dead, and not coming back again. With one last book, RJ's kinda keeping things open

2) Nice to see Faile finally get rescued. Gee whiz, that got dragged out. Pretty good rescue too, although I was surprised by how Rolan (I think that was his name) got crushed by Perrin, and Faile never mentioned him again. Way to make an impression buddy ;)

3) Someone help me out, as I'm lost. I need to reread this already. Too many Aes Sedai names make me dizzy. We're agreed that it was Moridin who saved Rand in aCoS (why does this sound wrong? I remember the Saa though). And It's a given that Demandred *is* Taim, given his 'Lord of Chaos' remark, and all else? I thought it was almost certain he wasn't.

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Kyndig
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posted 07 November 2005 10:28 PM      $post_id   Email Kyndig   Send New Private Message    Reply With Quote 
I thought he wasn't Demmy too! Oh well, he is someone who is in the know, somehow.


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Kyndig
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posted 07 November 2005 10:32 PM      $post_id   Email Kyndig   Send New Private Message    Reply With Quote 
My question is: Tuon says: that Mat knew Artur Hawkwing's face, where was that mentioned in the dialogue. This is part of her viewing by the damane about her future. I keep reading and rereading it and I can't find a reference to him knowing Hawkwin's face. Help me out if someone can.


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dalThor
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posted 08 November 2005 02:49 AM      $post_id   Email dalThor   Send New Private Message    Reply With Quote 
Sammeal IS dead. I think Moridin is just spouting off and someone was impersonating Sammeal in order to preserve their anonymity to avoid Moridin's wrath. Once Moridin referred to even his inability to reverse balefire. I always thought that a direct reference to Sammeal. Moridin DID save Rand methinks. That would explain his knowing Sammy had fallen victim to balefire (though we aren't...SURE...of course.) (At least Jordan isn't as bad as Martin in the respect that you need to see the dead body, for a while first...)

I ALWAYS thought Taim was in fact, D-man... I couldn't be convinced otherwise despite Taim's third-person reference to Demandred (in my opinion the best justification.)

Speaking of AS of whom we have heard little if anything, Tetsuma (the Red ajah head) was involved with the 'incident' 20 years ago and suffered exile as a result I'm guessing. Do you think we'll ever find out what happened back then?

Mat had mentioned Hawkwing's face...somewhere... I am in the process of re-reading it right now. I'll post when/if I find it...

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Shairk
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posted 13 November 2005 04:16 PM      $post_id   Email Shairk   Send New Private Message    Reply With Quote 
Mat was asked by Tuon if he remembered Hawkwing's face in what ever book he first met Tuon. Think Crown of Swords but could be Path of Daggers. When she asked him he flashbacked to dying in one of his memories and Hawkwing standing over him.
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Ishamael
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posted 13 November 2005 04:52 PM      $post_id   Author's Homepage   Email Ishamael   Send New Private Message    Reply With Quote 
Kyndig:

CoT, page 141 HD
"Do you remember Hawkwing's face, Toy?".

Mat remembers one of Culains memories, dying after a battle with Hawkwing looming over him offering friendship and life. He spits in his face. Says to Tuon "Of course I don't".

She says, it's a foolish question, and doesn't know why she asked. Although, looking back on it - she probably seems discommoded because she knew he was lying, and *did* remember Hawkwings face.

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Ishamael
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posted 13 November 2005 04:55 PM      $post_id   Author's Homepage   Email Ishamael   Send New Private Message    Reply With Quote 
As for Demandred: RJ has answered several questions saying Taim is NOT demandred, and that we have not come across demandred's character in the books.

Also, Demandred did *NOT* recognize Flinn when they were cleansing Saidin. If he had truly been Taim, then he would have. Which is why I remember being almost certain Taim is NOT Demandred. I don't know if the Lord of Chaos comment is enough to offset that.

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LTT
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posted 17 November 2005 12:44 AM      $post_id   Author's Homepage   Email LTT   Send New Private Message    Reply With Quote 
The "Let the Lord Of Chaos rule" is only what Darkfriends get to hear. Taim is NOT Demandred, but he is a new dreadlord. With only one book to go, where else are they going to come from?
One hundred evil companions.

Otherwise it would be easy for Rand to win.
He would have the kin, the seanchan, the white tower, the black tower, the aiel woman, every channelling woman and man in the world there at the last battle.

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Morgoth
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posted 01 January 2006 03:57 PM      $post_id   Author's Homepage   Send New Private Message    Reply With Quote 
quote ::

[originally posted by dalThor]:
Sammeal IS dead. I think Moridin is just spouting off and someone was impersonating Sammeal in order to preserve their anonymity to avoid Moridin's wrath. Once Moridin referred to even his inability to reverse balefire. I always thought that a direct reference to Sammeal. Moridin DID save Rand methinks. That would explain his knowing Sammy had fallen victim to balefire (though we aren't...SURE...of course.) (At least Jordan isn't as bad as Martin in the respect that you need to see the dead body, for a while first...)



It was actually Mashadar that killed Sammael, confirmed by Jordan in an interview some time back. Regardless it is extremely unlikely that Moridin is correct in thinking that Sammael escaped/returned; there was a certain air of finality in Jordan's quote...

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